Scientific and artistic endeavors are used to explore and understand the world around us. Art helps visualize data and communicate results and the integration of art into science yields immeasurably better science. Join this conversation with Alejandra Enriquez, a science communicator at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration as she talks about her journey in science, her experience with The Nature Conservancy’s Women in Climate Coalition, and how she combines her scientific and artistic backgrounds. Through this conversation, I hope you gain insight into how Alejandra is working toward creating climate change solutions through marine biology art and what you can do to combat climate change.
Follow Alejandra on Twitter at the following link: https://twitter.com/marinesciart
View her website at this link: https://www.marinebioartist.com/
Scientific and artistic endeavors are used to explore and understand the world around us. Art helps visualize data and communicate results and the integration of art into science yields immeasurably better science. Join this conversation with Alejandra Enriquez, a science communicator at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration as she talks about her journey in science, her experience with The Nature Conservancy’s Women in Climate Coalition, and how she combines her scientific and artistic backgrounds. Through this conversation, I hope you gain insight into how Alejandra is working toward creating climate change solutions through marine biology art and what you can do to combat climate change.
Follow Alejandra on Twitter at the following link: https://twitter.com/marinesciart
View her website at this link: https://www.marinebioartist.com/
Lexi
Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the Streaming Science podcast. Streaming Science is a student driven program that works to connect you with scientists to learn how science impacts all of us and our everyday lives. I'm Lexi Bolger, a master's student in agricultural education and communication at the University of Florida. And I'm your host today. You're currently listening to an episode where we talk with women from the Nature Conservancy’s Women in Climate Coalition about how they're working together to find climate change solutions.
Lexi
In the following interview, I spoke with Alejandra Enriquez, a science communicator at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, a.k.a. NOAA. We discussed her science background, her journey as an artist, and her experience in the Women in Climate Coalition. Through this podcast, I hope you gain insight into how Alejandra is working toward creating climate change solutions through marine biology art.
Why don't you tell me a little bit about yourself and how you got into science?
Alejandra
I am a science communicator, currently working as a technical writer. And the way that I got into science was, well, it's a long story, but starting from the very beginning, I suppose, one of my first memories is going out into a pond when I was a kid with my dad and one of his friends. And we were trying to look for, I think tadpoles in somebody's pond.
And it was in kind of the more richer areas of the neighborhood. So we just kind of sneaked in, not illegally, obviously, but just kind of it was a public pond, but it just had a bunch of rich people houses near it. But basically, we snuck in and I caught a little tadpole, took it home and tried to raise it into a full frog, which for the whole purpose of Science Day, which was for our first grade class, I think, to present some sort of thing on science.
And for whatever reason, we decided to present on frogs and I thought it was a good idea to have an actual frog. Unfortunately, the tadpole did not survive. So it was a sacrifice to my scientific journey, unfortunately. But I learned from that. And of course, I don't try not to kill my pets anymore, obviously. But since then, I just had a, I think, a connection with the biological and living sciences.
And I have done I did a lot of sort of walks and outdoorsy things with my dad, not necessarily camping or any big things like that, but we used to walk around a lot and I used to take a look at the leaves and things in our area and just kind of nit pick and sort of pick at them in sort of an analytical way.
And I think that kind of moved me forward into just kind of being curious and trying to become a scientist. And it wasn't really until later that in my school years that I figured out that I could actually be a scientist, because when I was little, all of the scientists that I watched on TV or heard about were mainly men, older white men at that.
So it wasn't really until later that I figured out, Oh, I can actually do this stuff as a career.
Lexi
How did you get into marine science? Because I know your background is in marine science, marine biology specifically. So like what led you from being in school to wanting to pursue marine science?
Alejandra
Yeah. So it was a whole combination of things. When I was little, I used to--I actually am not anywhere near the ocean or was never near the ocean when I was a kid. I'm actually from the border in El Paso, Texas, which is actually a desert city. So I never grew close to the ocean, but I did when I was little, I used to watch a lot of TV shows and movies and documentaries about the ocean.
And I was just fascinated by the whole thing, as many probably were as well. And aside from that, I had the privilege to go to the beach a few times with my family when I was little. And every time we went there, I would always try to find all of the little shells. And I just have so much fun in the ocean.
And every time we left, I would get really sad. So I always felt like there's got to be something there, you know, some sort of connection between the ocean and me. And I don't think that ever really faded. But again, it wasn't until later that I figured out that I could potentially do that as a career. So when I was an undergraduate, I attended New Mexico State University, which is also in a landlocked area, is nowhere near the ocean.
But I was able to start off as a volunteer and later get paid through a scholarship to do research in a marine biology lab. Specifically, this lab was working on little squids called bobtail squid. So bobtail squids and they're symbiotic bacteria. So the bacteria that live inside of them. So I was working on that set of bacteria called Vibrio fischeri and sort of learned a lot from that. Got a lot of experience in terms of learning about molecular biology and genetics and things like that. But I think that also sparked my initial interest in pursuing it further as a career. And then in that same school, I was able to actually take a class on not marine biology, but actually it was an integrative class sort of where you had to apply because we were going to be taking a week long trip to Hawaii.
And during that time we were learning about the different economics and the local areas and things like that, sort of kind of a mix between sociology and economics and science all at once together. And then we had to each each of the students had to get into teams and pick a different topic to work on. And afterwards we went to various places in Hawaii and learned about the locals there, things like fishing.
And I even got to see some of the bobtail squids in the wild that I was working on because my professor was actually--also the person who led my lab--was the person who was teaching the course. And so she took us to a small place where we could actually see the bobtail squids in the wild at night.
So that was one of the things that really kind of solidified the whole marine biology thing for me. It was at that moment that I knew kind of that I wanted to continue working on it at some capacity. So then I ended up applying to graduate school, and from there I studied marine biology and graduate school at the College of Charleston and I got my degree there.
Lexi
So since we're talking about your journey as a scientist, like what would be an object either like little or metaphorical that's important to you or represents your journey as a scientist?
Alejandra
Yeah. So I actually, in my apartment, have mounted a fish head that I obtained kind of randomly when I was doing fieldwork and it had nothing to do with my fieldwork. So as part of my thesis work for graduate school, I had to go out and collect sediment samples throughout the Charleston estuary so that we could take those back to the lab and analyze them for a specific type of bacteria called Zetaproteobacteria, which take iron basically as their main source of energy.
And they use it and they poop out basically rust or, you know, orange mats, microbial mats. So when I went out to gather one of those samples, it was kind of-- it was near a boat landing. And so the boat landing, sometimes people end up kind of chucking away their the fish heads that they, for whatever reason, that they don't want, even though I think lots of fish heads are edible, I don't know exactly which ones aren't and which ones are.
But anyway, I digress. There were there was like this giant not really giant, but to me it was a pretty big fish head about the size of two of my hands. And I was very curious about it and I took it with me in my car. And yes, it did smell, but it was nice. I think I'm one of those people who tends to pick up things randomly and kind of goof around with them, especially if they are formerly living things or take pictures of them.
So if there's like a well preserved insect on the ground, I will take a photo of it and potentially take it back with me. But I took I ended up taking that one back with me and I asked around and I was trying to figure out what kind of fish it was. Someone had told me it was a dolphin had because the part of the jaw was actually in the wrong place.
It was kind of upwards. And I think dolphin fish have this weird kind of head shape. If it even if it was a dolphin fish, it was quite a while ago. So and I'm not a fish experts at all, so don’t quote me on this, but something like that. Anyway, it was the wrong fish. So I think now it's it's probably some sort of bass or something like that that's located in the coast of South Carolina, but I don't actually know.
But I did preserve it. I watched a few YouTube tutorial videos on how do people preserve fish and you know, kind of sort of DIY’d it, but it still sits up here today as an ornament in my apartment. And I think that just kind of makes me feel like my connection with being a scientist and sort of going out and having that certain curiosity that's fulfilled and that was kind of a symbol of that and a representation of that, if you will, which to some people might not, you know, might be even, ew, gross or creepy.
But to me, I feel like, well, we're all kind of weird, so. I'm weird in that sort of way where I'm very curious about living and non-living things. And I feel like that's a big part of being a scientist.
Lexi
No, I definitely relate. I also am like that weird, science-y person who collects like, you know, like random bugs and send it to like a picture of it to my friends and be like, Oh, hey, what's this? And then they like most of the time they know exactly what it is like. So we're all a little weird together.
Yeah, you mentioned sort of it being like a representation of your curiosity. Does any of that translate back into your art and like how you, like, combine, like your love for science with like your love for art?
Alejandra
Yeah, it absolutely does. So in my art, I love to explore new things, in this case new mediums. So I don't really like to stick to one particular medium. I actually I've tried oil paints, gouache paints, watercolors, ink colors. Currently exploring digital mediums as well. And I think through all of those things, each one provides a different challenge and a different aspect for me personally.
And I feel like that sort of applies to what I do in science as well and what I've done with the scientific method is we obviously research, you know, different things and look at different models. And I think sometimes people forget that science at its core is something that everyone does. So we form as humans, we form our own hypotheses from observations that we make initially, and then we test those out.
And then from there, once we've tested that out, you know, we get results and we say, Oh, this happened or this happened. And that happens a lot in art. We test a lot of things out-- techniques, mediums, you know, different ways of doing things and in the end, sometimes it doesn't give us what we want, but we continue to do those things and refine those things.
And sometimes that helps us as artists move beyond what, you know, what is considered the norm or something. Just discovering new things and new ways to do things. So sometimes I like to mix up my media as well. So I sometimes try to mix gouache and ink and watercolor all at once to create an entirely new piece. And sometimes that leads to very interesting patterns and textures on my canvas or the paper, for example.
So in that way I feel like that connects science to art, and I feel like those two bridges or that provides a bridge to between those two.
Lexi
So did you get into art? Like how did you get into it? Was it like around the same time you kind of got interested in science or was it like totally different times in your life?
Alejandra
No, that was...I think art has always been a part of my life from the point where I first started walking, basically. I would always doodle and my mom still has the doodles from when I'm four years old, which I'm sure lots of parents do. But she was also an art teacher, so she kind of instilled that sort of artistic, I guess, learning and kind of yearning for art into me and she taught me a few things as well.
So the first medium that I ever used was not actually something like watercolors, which a lot of people use as their starting point. I actually started with oil paints because that was what my mother used to teach and that was her main concentration. So I think for me art has always been a part of my life versus science, which came a little bit later.
And there are certain aspects to that that sort of for me, sometimes separate the art from the science. You know, and rightly so, I think, because there there are certain differences obviously between the scientific method and how science gets done versus art, which is can be more abstract and relies less on things like peer review and statistical data and all of that good stuff.
So yeah.
Lexi
When did you decide to combine your passion for science and science communication and your passion for art, and how did you come to that point?
Alejandra
I first started making that connection when I was in grad school, actually. So for a long time I actually thought that I should put off my art and or leave it entirely so that I could focus on getting good grades and getting the degree, which for a while helped. It did a little bit, but it also, I think, hurt me a little bit. It just it hurts my soul if that makes sense. Just like staying away from that since art was such a big part of my life. And I think in grad school I rediscovered that because I was so stressed out and I didn't know what to do. So then I just kind of did a chalk drawing on a chalkboard one night and then I ended up posting it on Instagram the next day.
And that just kind of gave me the idea of, Hey, maybe I should start making art and posting it on Instagram just for fun. So eventually, after a few years that developed into a part time business, which happened right after I graduated. I had some time in between then and the Knauss Marine Policy Fellowship that I was going to do.
So I started that part time business to essentially create pieces of art that would inspire people to think about, you know, nature and sometimes conservation issues as well. So certain endangered species I would try to highlight. And then on Instagram, I would typically put in captions along with that piece or painting kind of describing the particular organism or habitat so that people would kind of get to know or learn about that in some way, in some educational way.
And then from there, I actually I tried just different avenues of science communication. I got on Twitter, which actually was still back in graduate school, but then I started using it a little bit more for communication purposes and still shared my art a little bit there, even though my main source was Instagram and I even moved to livestreaming on Twitch.
So I would livestream art on Twitch for a while and then I would start talking about the piece and trying to talk about, you know, certain issues or certain area topic areas that had to do with that particular animal or that particular habitat that I was working on on that day. And so I think that really moved forward my career and kind of wanting to do science communication as it is today.
Lexi
How would you like use art to sort of tackle like conservation issues outside of like just like posting it on Instagram? Is there any other ways you do that? And then are there any other goals for your art?
Alejandra
Yeah. So at the time, because I was transitioning out of grad school and kind of just figuring out my business, I was focusing mostly on the business side of things. So I kind of stuck to Instagram as kind of a way to reach out to people. And then again, Twitch was another avenue to do that and sort of practice presenting.
So to see, so to speak, or to well, not just practice presenting, but like actually talking to people and seeing how that would go. This was also during the pandemic in the middle of 2020 when that hit. So there was a lot of things going on. Yeah. And I had to focus on a) graduating and then b) just staying out, you know, just staying healthy just as much as anyone else during that whole chaos when there were no vaccines available and things like that and things were people were on lockdown, etc..
So I think my focus less was less on trying to expand on the outreach and more trying to figure out where I was going to go in my career and how I was going to get there during that time. Now I actually have another direction that I want to go with my art, but it has been slow moving because two main things really.
I currently have a full time job obviously, so doing the job of an artist is kind of it's a hobby, of course, but I do want to do it still as a way of engaging with the public. And I do want my art to focus a little bit more on not just conservation but climate change in general. However, to do that, I would like to incorporate humans into my artwork, which I have studied human figures before, but one of the kind of trials and tribulations of being an artist is trying to figure out what you like to do and like what you like to draw or paint or what have you, and then sticking to that for a bit and then trying to challenge yourself. If you want to challenge yourself, which I do, and having to learn an entirely different subject, which in this case for me is humans. So I’d eventually in the future like to create comics and/or stories and illustrate for people who are working in climate specifically on conservation topics and issues like Endangered Species, Endangered Species Act, or just, you know, climate activism in general, and sort of incorporate that into something that is published and focus on these areas specifically relating to the ocean.
Because I am a marine biologist and that's that's kind of my just area that I typically stay in is marine slash aquatic stories.
Lexi
Yeah, I definitely relate to like kind of being reluctant to learn how to like, draw people. I'm like, I'm really good at like drawing like nature stuff, but not people. I haven't explored that at all.
Alejandra
Yeah, I've done a couple of portraits, but nothing like, Oh, these look really good. Or like, I can sell them.
Lexi
Yeah, Yeah. So you said you want to focus more on climate change and involving humans in your art. Is that how you got involved with the women-- The Nature Conservancy's Women in Climate Coalition? And like, could you tell us more about what the Women in Climate Coalition is?
Alejandra
Yeah, so I actually got involved with them because of my artwork specifically, not necessarily humans. If you look at my website at all, it's just mostly made up of animals and habitats, which I still again want to put a focus on, but one of the organizers she had emailed me and asked me about my art and she actually ended up purchasing some of my art for the the climate conference that I was invited to.
And so through that, she actually invited me and asked if I wanted to come along as as an artist. And also because she saw that I had a background in marine science and science communication to work on those things. So that particular meeting, the focus was on climate change within the fishing industry. And for me that's a big thing because I'm I'm very interested in fisheries and sort of taking a look at the connections between people and fish and fisheries themselves has a lot to offer, of course, but in terms of communicating to people and consumers per se, there's still a lot left to be deserved in that area specifically. So anyway, I was invited to the conference to do that and that's how I was involved. But prior to that, I had no idea that they had this. So the the conference or Innovation Lab, as it's called, is I think it's two or three years old already, but it's sponsored by The Nature Conservancy.
So they're the ones who put that on. And again, they invite a lot of people, depending on the topic from that particular area of focus or industry. But all the time, every year, it's always about climate change, something related to climate change. So the purpose of that was to get together and look at some of the issues, current issues happening, and then go over some of that together and then obviously do some networking, but also provide and create solutions to those issues and sort of meet the point of that being to meet and, you know, actually move forward with those solutions later on.
Lexi
Did you guys come up with any solutions like do you have any like examples or like was it more of like a brainstorming type thing?
Alejandra
Yeah. So it was it was both. We brainstormed a lot during that meeting about some of the solutions. So we had to identify well, we had first we had different groups. I think if I'm remembering correctly, there was a group focused on inclusivity and outreach to make sure all voices are heard. There was one on policy and another one on, I think, science and data sharing or something, something similar along those lines.
But through those three things, we had different people on different teams and I was on the one relating back to outreach and inclusivity, including all voices. And so one of our one of the main issues that obviously we thought of is that within fishing, the fishing industry and climate in general, there's always going to be a lack of representation specifically for minorities, of course.
And how do we then incorporate that or create programs that are more inclusive of that? So through much discussion and deliberation, we found several examples, of course, too, that might be relevant, you know, to include all different voices and how we might be able to create new solutions for that. So I think one of those was just kind of establishing a list or, you know, a server of some sort of people that are doing these things already or, you know, different educational outreach opportunities and kind of having those in a network or just, you know, points of contact because there are lots of different people doing educational things all around the U.S. and, you know, they're not always there in the programs that are needed. So that was one thing and then a whole bunch of other things. But I feel like that was one like one of the big, bigger solutions there is just kind of a way having a way to bring all of these programs together, especially those in, you know, for example, schools, libraries, things like that.
Getting those materials there and having that communication outreach between the scientists who do the work. Obviously, you know, people in policy and also in the students out there and just younger generations as well, and having that communication established to make sure that people know things like where is my food coming from, that connection of, you know, not just the food, where does the food come from, but how does that relate back to the ocean?
And even if you don't live in the ocean, how is that important to you and why does it matter? So I think that was one of the big things.
Lexi
Yeah, I mean, the ocean is like connected to all of us, even if we're landlocked. Like I'm landlocked right now, but I can see the impacts of it like, every day. Like, So what was it like being in, like, an all women like space to be able to come up with those type of solutions?
Alejandra
Oh, my goodness. Honestly. Okay. You're not going to believe how I think just how different things are when there are zero men in the room. But you can just feel it. You know, there's there's a sense of openness and like, community that's like not like no, no offense to men, but in the real world where, you know, a lot of these industries and professions end up with a majority of men dominating careers, it can be just overwhelming, for one thing.
And also there's there's always this this fear of like, am I speaking up too much as a woman? Am I not doing certain things as a woman? Just things that have been pushed upon us in society, unfortunately. They're not just in the U.S., but I think kind of on a global scale, things like, you know, just just certain little things like wearing too much makeup, not wearing enough makeup.
So I feel like all of that was just not important throughout this whole thing. And being a woman obviously was the target of including all women. So identifying, you know, as any kind of female, and apologies for my language. I'm not entirely sure what the proper language would be for that. So I'm I'm a cis hetero woman, I think.
Right. But the point of that conference was to include women who are female presenting, if that makes sense. So I think just, you know, having that on the table and also things like having us, we got an email saying that just to dress comfortably and however we felt comfortable. So I was pretty thankful for that because I didn't have to pack any like business-y clothes or business suits or whatever.
So that was nice. Just being able to pack comfortably, especially in a colder climate, which was in September in Seattle, so it was fairly cold. And I think just being able to yeah, just being comfortable around each other and you know, as we got to know each other more, just sharing those experiences as women in our fields, like even if we were from different fields, different backgrounds and different, you know, working on different things, there were still various ways in which that crossed over as just our experience of being women.
Lexi
Yeah, I definitely relate to the like being more comfortable, not in business casual stuff. Like I hate it, but but yes, I think that's so awesome that you were able to be there and like, actually come up with solutions. Like, that's amazing. Like truly one of a kind experience, I think. And then so like, what are some of your goals for like your future in, like the Women and Climate Coalition?
Alejandra
So some of my goals for the Women in Climate Coalition, probably probably one of the biggest things for me is to reach out to some of these people who were there in the innovation lab and start working on those solutions because it's hard. It's, you know, we can ideate all we want and, you know, write down the solutions.
But then actually putting things together can be quite mortifying, especially if all of us are working full time jobs and just trying to get stuff together. So, you know, I would like to again, part of my goals is to create more illustrations and sort of climate climate activism based art. And so that includes, you know, trying to illustrate whoever story needs to be heard on minority stories, especially with indigenous peoples and indigenous nations.
Excuse me, and I am trying to trying to figure out how to best go about doing that. So I think potentially the Women in Climate can help me do that as well as obviously, you know, just getting to know the the indigenous people who live on my land and in my area. But also just being able to connect back to them and sort of again, working on those those ideas kind of like putting together a list of educational opportunities, outreach opportunities and sort of expanding on that network on how to get educators involved with this and just getting to those people who don't necessarily live near the ocean is one of the top priorities for me, especially since I come from from a background of living right across the border. You know, living myself as a Latina and Chicana, my identity is very important to me. And so reaching out to people who are like myself, who may speak Spanish only or Spanglish only Spanglish slash English, you know, and kind of just figuring out what do you need to...
What is it that you need to connect to, to us who are working on these ocean issues and how, you know, how do we how do we educate them and feel and let them feel like they're being heard as well? And I feel like a lot of that work involves, you know, just doing a lot of translations, work and doing artwork as well, because that sort of transcends language in ways that people some people don't even understand.
If you're not an artist, a lot of people get it, but a lot of people don't. So especially in science, it's kind of hard to figure that out. So I'd like to, you know, to do some of that, some of that work in the future.
Lexi
So more sort of like community based learning and like building, like relationships, like either like with your art or like through your art?
Alejandra
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And obviously, of course, if I can still work on some of the wildlife stuff too, potentially being able to do graphic design or potential illustrations that would, you know, reach a point where, excuse me, I could do things like infographics currently and I'm trying to study how to improve on my infographics. I’ve done a couple already, but just getting certain information all at once and then figuring out what I want it to be for and who I want it to go out to.
Because there's obviously there's a lot, again in conservation issues and in fisheries in particular that really need some help in getting that translated, not just to different languages literally, but also in the sense of scientific work and scientific jargon down to something that the public can better understand.
Lexi
So that kind of be like, your... because I know we talked a lot about science communication throughout this whole interview. So like, would that be your definition of science communication or like, would you have like a more like broad definition?
Alejandra
Yeah, that's a good question, actually. For me, I think science communication is, yeah, a little bit about kind of what we talked about. So taking a lot of complex topics and in science that oftentimes include jargon and sort of taking that bit by bit, breaking it down, reconstructing it in such a way that it's translatable to a specific audience that does not have background knowledge in that specific area, if that makes sense.
Lexi
No. Yeah.
Alejandra
Like for for a general for just like an overall arching purpose, but then you get into things like, well, who's your audience? And like what type of audience, you know, age, gender, blah, blah, blah, all of that stuff.
Lexi
Yeah, I know. Like I'm a science communicator too, so like, I'm always kind of struggling with like, what my like definition, I guess. Like if someone like gave me like a kind of put on like a two minute spiel, I'd be like, um, what? Because it encompasses so many things, you know? But I think you did a great job of defining it.
Lexi
So just to kind of close it out. So for our listeners, what would be an actionable way that they could help with either like climate change or like conservation or like just any sort of like action that they could take?
Alejandra
Yeah. So something I hear a lot in the environmental movement and climate movement is that, well, I'm just a person, you know, or I don't have time for this. But the reality of it is that even if you don't have time for it, it's still affects you regardless. And I feel like the best way if you feel like you don't have time for it to go about it is-- don't think of it as something that you need experience in or you need to learn something from.
You already have what you need to have an impact on the environment and in climate. So my best advice is basically: one, figure out what you're good at; two, figure out what you like doing. And three, put those two together and then apply that to what is it that the world needs or that the climate or the environment needs.
And then once you have that, then you can say, well, maybe I can just take, you know, 10 to 15 minutes of my day to walk with my kids outside and go to a farmer's market on the weekend, you know, and go and compost, which is what I do. I go to my local farmer's market or, you know, just those small things.
And then once you've done that, you've already, you know, begun doing the things that are important to taking it a step further, which is big actions even just calling your representatives, sending them emails, supporting a specific thing in the environment, keeping up with the news I know, which I know especially can be very hard at times because I'm always on Twitter and always reading the news and things like that.
But keeping a nice balance of just, you know, figuring out what particular bills, especially in your local area, might be getting passed and getting involved in your local government is very important as well. If you can vote, obviously go vote. And if you can't, then I would try to, you know, talk to your parents and see what you can do to, you know, again, do those three things, figure out what you're good at, what you like and what the world needs, and then just mix it up together.
Lexi
That's awesome advice. Yeah, I definitely think that, like knowing like, what you can do is an important first step and like what you're good at. So that's awesome. Well thank you for your time today, Alejandra. I really appreciate it. This was a great conversation. I loved hearing about your art and your journey as a scientist and a science communicator. Thank you.
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Alejandra
Thank you. I really appreciate it.
Lexi
Thank you so much for listening to the Women in Climate series on the Streaming Science podcast. Make sure to check out our website and social media for more. I'm your host, Lexi Bolger. Thank you again for listening. For more information, you can visit the links in the show's notes.